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Between the Lines

This podcast series explores books with ideas for positive social and environmental change. Each month we feature a book and an interview with its author. The interviews give an insight on what’s behind the book, the ideas, challenges and discoveries, and why it matters.

In this podcast IDS Research Fellow Shilpi Srivastava is in conversation with Professor Ian Scoones who talks about the issues in his new book Navigating uncertainty: Radical rethinking for a turbulent World.


In the podcast Ian argues that we need to adjust our modernist, controlling view and to develop new approaches, including some reclaimed and adapted from previous times or different cultures. This requires a radical rethinking of policies, institutions and practices for successfully navigating uncertainties in an increasingly turbulent world.


This podcast is a must-listen for researchers, policymakers and advocates about the role uncertainty plays in a shifting, uncertain, and volatile global context.



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